Happy Tuesday everyone!!! I hope everyone had an amazing Halloween!!!! Thanks for all the comments on my last post regarding moving Halloween...I honestly was worried that I was turning into a grumpy old woman so it was nice to hear so many people agreed with me!
Okay onto a NEW controversial topic!!! The issues are never ending in my life - HA!
I live in a condo. In many of my previous posts I have mentioned a neighbor that is just trouble! He is constantly harassing the other tenants, hitting other peoples cars in the parking lot, doing drugs, beating his wife and pets, etc. It is honestly craziness all the time!!! Well, just when we thought it could not get crazier...
I was leaving the condo for my home group meeting Friday night; as I was walking out the main front door to the condo and my nieghbor was coming in with his dog on a leash. This dog is a little toy poodle that never stops growling or barking at other people and dogs (I am sure because he beats it along with his wife). As we passed; the dog lurched at me and latched onto my ankle through my sweatpants. My ankle immediately started burning. The owner did not say a thing and kept walking inside. I said "Your dog bit me - that is not okay!" He mumbled sorry and went inside to his condo. THAT WAS IT - NOTHING ELSE! I texted my neighbors and walked back inside. My neighbor brought my a piece of gauze and told me to call the police and report it.
The South Fayette police came and acted like it was no big deal. Officer Benny told me not to worry it was nothing - he actually said "I have seen someone that was mauled by a rabid dog and they did not get rabies." He took a report and went up to talk with the dog owner. He came back down and said the dogs rabies ran out last January so it was not up to date on it's shots. He was referring it to animal control to follow up.
I HEARD NOTHING ALL WEEKEND FROM THE OWNERS. Not asking how I was or anything!!! They have my phone number!!!
When I talked to my sister and people at work on Monday they said I definitely need to call my doctor and get an antibiotic since it broke the skin. I called and we prescribed Amoxicillin. With my insurance it cost me $10. I called the dog owners and told them I thought they should have to pay for it and they said no. They were not paying because it was not that bad!!!!! That is when I decided it was the last straw!! That are horrible people and not responsible dog owners!!! Also, they never have control of the dog and it lurches and lunges and barks at everyone and other dogs!!!! I refuse to let this happen again so as the condo president I checked our paperwork for pets and found the following...
"Board of Directors have the authority to require the permanent removal of any pet, if such pet is determined by the board to be a nuisance or a danger to the community and must be removed from the premises within ten days of notification" - well, guess who is the President of the Board!
I called the entire board and majority decided this dog is a nuisance and a danger and we are not waiting for it to bite someone else. So our management team is sending the letter today. The dog has to be removed within ten days.
Here is the pictures of my bite - this is Friday night - I added antibiotic cream which is the white stuff. Also, please excuse my unshaven legs...it is no-shave November - HA HA! You can tell I am single...
This is Saturday morning ...
Sunday morning...
And finally, Monday morning. This is the picture I sent to my family doctor and they prescribed the antibiotic.
So, onto the controversy....Do you think we are being too tough - knowing everything I said above? I do not think so but, like I said, majority decided to send the removal letter and there were two people that did not agree and they are dog owners.
I am so curious to hear what you all think in blog land!!! And also, note if you are a dog owner or not in your comments please.
I only own cats but I feel like if they attached someone I would think the exact same way. They two dogs owners on the board think the dog should get a second chance...meaning they should get a warning and then on be removed after a second bite. To me, that is ludicrous!!
What is your opinion on all this?? I am so curious to hear what you all have to say!!!
Hugs - I hope everyone has an uneventful and fantastic week!!!!
I agree the owner of the dog is the guilty party, but this dog should not be around other people. It's going to bite someone else for sure.
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I agree 100% Sandee!
DeleteCurrently running for my HOA Board for my sins lol
ReplyDeleteIt’s not that the dog bit someone - it’s the owners response to it, so they brought it on themselves. Your HOA has liability at this point since you are aware. Good Luck.
That is what we talked about too - we could be in REAL trouble if we let it bite again!!! It is an interesting role is it not?!?! WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!
DeleteIn law school we joked about the "one bite" rule, meaning a dog was allowed one attack on humans or other animals before it was declared to be dangerous. Well, Carl's dog had his one bite. In the overall scheme of things that is not a serious injury. If an injury is bad enough that you need antibiotics, however, that dog is a menace. what if it bites a child next time? Or someone who is immuno compromised?
ReplyDeleteThat is the interesting part that I did not mention - I am immuno compromised! I am on Stelara for my psoriatic arthritis! So it is even worse for me. I agree 100%
DeleteOh my...I am sorry. I was immuno compromised while I was on chemo 15 years ago. I was terrified. In your hsoes I'd be absolutely livid.
DeleteYour HOA is doing the right thing. It's a small dog but it is dangerous.
sorry about above.
ReplyDeleteI wish you the best of luck. I think this will get ugly. I am not a fan of small yapping dogs. But the owners response was horrific. I find it hard to believe if the owner was that awful he will take this laying down. I know others who have fought and won this type of thing when they got their attorneys involved. Sorry about your leg Ann
Thank you Margaret. Trust me, it already is ugly...this is just one more incident for the books - UGH!
DeleteAlso Margaret, if they want to fight it I am sure the judge or magistrate will ask to see the dog and they will know immediately that it is a menace and danger. It would lunge right for the judge-you can not get near it is you wanted to! This in NOT a nice dog that was spooked - it is a mean and vicious poodle...seriously! No doubt because of how he treats it! The husband calls it Josie and the wife calls it Bernard...that tells you all you need to know, no?
DeleteI'm a total dog owner... I would be horrified if my dog did that & I would totally pay for a $10.00 antibiotic. That's crazy they're so "shrug it off" sort of attitude. I would hate to think the dog be put down or put into a shelter were it would be hurt... but it doesnt sound like these people are responsible at all... I'm sorry you have to deal with people's stupidity.
ReplyDeleteThank you for your comments Rebecca Jo. The truth is the dog is undoubtedly abused in that home so he will definitely end up in a better place. He drags the poor thing around by the leash - it is horrifying to watch!!
DeleteI am not a dog owner, but I know how I would feel if this happened to me... I'd be OUTRAGED, especially after how the owner reacted!! The very least he could have done was pay the $10 for your antibiotic.
ReplyDeleteI doubt this is an issue that will go away quietly, by your description of the owner, but I hope it works out for you. And I don't blame you for the action you have taken!!
Right Jill?!?! I was trying to be understanding initially but their reaction was awful!!!! They acted like I went to the ER and asked for hundreds of dollars!!! Crazy people! Have agreat week! HUGS
DeleteThe bite looks nasty. I hope the antibiotics keep any infection at bay. The owner sounds like he shouldn't have pets. I think your board has taken the right decision but I hope it doesn't prove problematic to enforce. I don't have pets but have had cats and dogs in the past. You have to be responsible for them.
ReplyDeleteYes Wendy - we so agree with everything you said - esp about not owning pets - sadly, they purchased a cat a month ago so it will be the focus of the torture now! UGH!!!
DeleteFirst, I am praying that the area affected heals without infection or more issue. I am a dog owner. It is the owner's responsibility to you (and others) that he have control over his dog. He is lacking responsibility -- 1. shots not updated, and 2. shrugging off the bite/injury along with the lack of compassion by paying for your antibiotic. I think you and the board did the right thing. Your HOA would be liable (and is in your case) for expenses.
ReplyDeleteThank you Robin for your support Honestly you guys are making me feel so much better!!! I am so happy most are in agreement...I was starting to feel like I was the witch in Wizard of Oz and taking Toto - although-if you tried to do that with this dog, you would probably have your face mauled!
DeleteHope it works out
ReplyDeleteThanks Cloudia! Have a great day!
DeleteI am a dog owner, two big Labradors, because they are gentle and good with people and kids. We had a purebred Old English Sheepdog who bit my then two year old, with no provocation, while my daughter was sitting on my lap. She just reached down to pet Rosie, and wham, Rosie growled and bit her hand. She had bitten a few of the other kids in questionable circumstances, they had been bothering her...so...now it was clear, she had to go. Every shelter within a few hours said the same thing, they couldn't adopt out a dog that bit. So my dog had to be put down. People come first, no question about it. If your neighbor's dog bit me like that, I would do the same thing, persevere until something was done. You deserve to safely walk around, and honestly, that's more than just a little stressful to be attacked like that. I hope you heal up well!
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Thank you Della!! I am so thankful that you said that because now I am terrified of all dogs!! I dated a guy for YEARS that had a lab and it was the sweetest dog on the planet! Now, I will be steering clear of all dogs!!! So sad you had to take those steps and get rid of a family pet (that had to be horrible to do) but I feel like it would be a NO-brainer for me if it was my pet. Two of my neighbors (that own dogs) don't agree. Seems nuts to me!
DeleteI am a dog owner and I'm with you 100%. It sounds to me like the dog has already had more than one chance. Maybe not with any kind of formal warning but it's shown aggressive behavior towards people and other animals already. Since the owners show no kind of concern at all about the fact that their dog bit you I think it's totally justified.
ReplyDeleteThank you Ann! I agree 100%!! I feel like a "how are doing" or "I am so sorry this happened" would have gone a long way but again; I am not waiting for it to bite me again!!! No thanks!!! Have a fantastic week! HUGS
DeleteNo....if a dog will bite, it is unsafe. Here they take dog bites very seriously and if a dog bites more than one time it can be put down and the owners held responsible for costs for treatment of the person or persons affected.
ReplyDeleteThat is such a good thing - it seems like the animal control is going to be tough on them also - thank goodness the cops did not just handle it as that would have been a joke obviously....wow! Have a great day Arlene!
DeleteMy husband had something similar happen with a neighbor. He was riding his bike by and the dog ran out and grabbed ahold of his pants and ripped them. The owner just called the dog and went in the house. He went back later (which is crazy for him lol) and told them they should have at least apologized sheesh.
ReplyDeleteAs a dog owner I'd be devastated if my dog hurt someone and I had to get rid of them. But I'd also not be an asshole.
What?!??! That is crazy!!!! But, that is exactly what this guy did too! I had to stop him from just casually walking back into the building. Like it never happened!!! UGH! UGH! People are nuts! Agree totally Julie...I could never see you acting like that!!! Have a great week Julie!!! HUGS
DeleteDog has got to go and I would file a civil complaint but that is just me. People need to be able to control their animals.
ReplyDeleteAgreed Patrick! He will be getting fined from animal control and the condo building for not having up to date shots and they will get my $10 too for the antibiotic. I am just happy that, very soon, I never have to see that dog again!
DeleteWow, that sucks. I feel like once a dog bites someone, it's showing its true colors, even if it's a little dog that can't truly maul you. It's clearly the owners' fault.
ReplyDeleteI'm thinking that because (a) it bit you, and (b) its shots weren't up to date, it's gotta go.
Thanks Abby! You guys are so nice and supportive! I am so happy that so many of you agree. I honestly think if it was my cat I would get rid of it too. I used to have a mean cat; I warned everyone in my family to stay away and they did...no issue...if it had ever bit someone-different story - UGH! Have a great week! HUGS
DeleteCat owner here. I agree with you completely and just feel bad for the dog. Bad dogs are bad because of what they have been taught. Too bad you can't evict the poor excuse for a human man too.
ReplyDeleteI could not agree more Terri! I have no doubt it did not start out that way!! He beats his wife (the police have been called many times by her and she just keeps letting him come back) so there is no doubt he beats the dog too! It is horrible...and now there is a new cat in their home also! UGH! I just wish they would leave! Have a great day Terri!
DeleteNext time (hopefully there won't be a next time):
ReplyDelete1. Snap a picture of Yappers biting you with your cellphone.
2. Bite him back.
Seriously, I am glad you didn't suffer some canine-borne disease. And if a responding officer is ever dismissive or blasé especially if an injury was involved, request a supervisor or lieutenant respond.
I have pictures after the fact but I was sooo shocked I did not even react! Believe me; my neighbors said he lurched at them and they kicked it away. I honestly did not move - I was terrified!! I will absolutely ask for a supervisor but hopefully, with the dog in ten days, it wont be necessary!
DeleteOh what a perfect post for me to rant. Yes, of course you needed antibiotics. Many non human germs on dogs teeth. We have seen out two dogs but if they ever bit anyone, they would have to be put down. If the dog bit you, it will bite others, maybe a baby or toddler. Here if dog bites a human it is a police matter. If a dog bites another dog, even to death, it is local council matter. Your post is a bit topical as here it widely reported tonight that a cross American pit bull killed a Dachshund in a park in one of our suburbs. You have done the right thing by getting fellow residents onboard. However, as we discovered in the apartment we lived in, 1981, Boards of Directors/Body Corporates/Owners Corporations are toothless tigers with getting rid of pet animals. Nevertheless, push on.
ReplyDeleteThanks for the support Andrew! I agree 100%!!! The two members of the board that have dogs do not agree...the other four of us do. I get that people love their pets; however, if my cat bite someone I would do the exact same thing. I may feel differently had I been petting or threatening the dog; I was NO!!! I was walking by - that is all! Others in the building said he has lurched at them so hard that they kicked me. So that says it all. Thanks again for the support-started feeling like that witch on a bike in the Wizard of Oz!!!
DeleteI think they should be removed from your building with their dog. That is just terrible what happened and they are real jerks if you ask me. You had to file the complaint and have your board meeting. You did good.
ReplyDeleteThank you Debby! I wish we could make them go along too - they are the cause of SOOO many issues in the building but at least they understand they have responsibilities now! Thanks for the support! HUGS
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